Tuesday, May 30, 2006

CREC Says RC Sproul Jr Is "Considered Ordained"

RC Sproul Jr Time MagazineThe CREC Commission report on Saint Peter Presbyterian Church is out. Typical of the jumbletalk of Doug Wilson the conclusions of the report will leave sane people saying to themselves, "Huh?"

Many of RC Sproul Jr fans had predicted that the CREC Commission would "clear the names of the four St. Peter Elders for the whole Reformed world to see". Well, the CREC's report doesn't do that. In fact their report says:
"It is our finding that there were significant pastoral mistakes, errors and sins by the former Session."

Now this doesn't mean that the "significant pastoral mistakes, errors and sins" were "significant" enough to prevent them from rolling out the CREC red carpet. No! Just about any defrocked Presbyterian minister with a pulse and some brainwaves is welcome in the one "Reformed confederation" with virtually no standards at all.

Doug Wilson has trained well his hand-picked Commission members for their difficult task, to make a Presbyterian minister who was defrocked for ecclesiastical tyranny and tax fraud look as though it really wasn't all that bad. But since the evidence against him was incontrovertible, the best way of dealing with it is to just not deal with it at all. Just ignore the evidence and hope that no one notices. "Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain. The great and powerful Wizard Of Moscow has spoken."

In language that only a Wilsonista could concoct:
"Although Mr. Sproul was deposed from the ministry (primarily for violations of the RPCGA BCO which would not apply in the CREC), we have determined that since he had been previously examined for ordination (by three different presbyteries of three denominations ARPC, PCA, and RPCGA), he shall not be required to fulfill the process for ordination and shall be considered ordained within the CREC accordingly."

So RC Sproul Jr is defrocked, but in the CREC he's "considered ordained"! People in their right minds will have a real difficult time sorting this one out. But in the alternate universe of Doug Wilson's CREC it somehow all makes sense. And even if it doesn't make sense it doesn't really need to. After all, it's just the CREC.


Anonymous said...

So the CREC Commission Report says that ". . .he shall not be required to fulfill the process for ordination and shall be considered ordained within the CREC accordingly." So everywhere else in the world RC Sproul Jr is a defrocked minister but in the CREC he's "considered ordained."

That's like saying, "In Uganda Idi Amin is a torturing mass murderer, but in Libya he's "considered" a State dignitary with a clean record."

Puddleglum said...

The Presbyterian form of ecclesiastical government has been around for quite some time now. Can anyone provide an example from it's 400+ year history where ordination credentials were obtained in this manner? The troublesome bit is that this maneuvering appears to be completely novel, yet, as I understand it, to date there has been no defense made of it's methodology.

Maker's Mark said...

You're right. It was completely novel. It's crazy stuff that could only come out of the CREC. Regardless of what Doug Wilson claims the CREC is NOT Presbyterian. Any real Presbyterian knows it. Even the renegade RC Sproul Jr knows it.

Sue Roberts said...

I noticed Dave Shank was one of the independent pastors that reviewed the case?

I visited RC’s church, attended a week long ‘camp’ for couples, heard him speak several times at balls & conferences and was aquatinted with him personally. RC was the council defending 4 men that had been excommunicated by one of Dave Shank’s churches (in his little FORC denomination). (I am not implying negative things about Mr. Shank. I only met him once. But I have little confidence in his discernment.) St. Peter’s restored one of the three men quickly. Another PCA church restored the other 3, not as quickly. Two of these three did not keep themselves under the authority of the PCA church. That pastor felt these men were ‘a law unto themselves’. He is still working with the man that stayed, helping him learn to obey God’s law.

We chose to extricate ourselves from the church under Shank’s federation, chose to not join St. Peters, because we clearly felt the members adored their leaders too much. They both felt like cults. Our church, the largest one in the Federation split, sadly. Men in this church had been excommunicated previously and/or been party to splits.

The wreckage in lives was astounding. These men who work to have their followers follow them first, God second are doing the enemy’s work. Some of the wreckage includes rebellious teens ruining their lives, turning their backs on God, decimated marriages, no longer claiming the name of Christ, as far as men in prison and pastors who are no longer able to pastor.

May God have mercy & open the eyes of his people?