Tuesday, September 12, 2006

RC Sproul, Do Lawsuits Run In the Family?

RC Sproul Ligonier Ministries lawsuit
Up until recently a lot of people, myself included, didn't want to believe that RC Sproul Jr was the product of some very bad upbringing. Everyone's seen a few Prodigal Son situations, young men who grew up in good Christian homes but who turned out to be bad men.

When RC Jr managed to get himself defrocked I took pity on his dad and mom over their humiliation. It's got to be embarrassing having your own son ruin the family name.

RC Sproul should have called his son to public repentance. But no! He did just the opposite. RC Sproul publicly repudiated his son's defrocking, calling the charges "fraudulent." You can't do something like that without also bashing the denomination that defrocked him, as well as bashing the witnesses that brought testimony against him. That spectacle caused me to start wondering if my assumptions about RC Sproul weren't false.

Of course no one can blame RC Sproul for the way that Tim Dick turned out, and he probably didn't pick the guy for a son in law either. But his daughter Sherrie did, so that obviously begs another question.

RC Sproul did however pick Tim Dick as Ligonier's President, and that clearly is his fault. What were you thinking Dr. Sproul? What are you thinking now that Tim Dick is rapidly ruining your ministry? Why do you insist on keeping a clown like Tim Dick on even after everything he's done? Frank Vance seems to think that Tim Dick is the problem, but after everything I've observed I have to disagree with Frank. I think that RC himself is the problem.

Being the great Bible expositor that RC Sproul is I'd always assumed that he'd exposited the Word to his own children and been a good example to them. Now with Sproul's Ligonier Ministries lawsuit against Christian blogger Frank Vance I'm more than just having second thoughts, I'm convinced that RC Jr must have been the product of a bad upbringing.

Of course this is all now making me wonder if I'm next. Will RC Sproul Jr now be suing me too? Like father like son? If he does sue I wonder will he do it the same way that Tim Dick did it to Frank Vance and not even have the courtesy of sending me an email to let me know about it? Like Ligonier Ministries like Highlands Study Center?

Obviously RC Sproul isn't at all interested in obeying the Bible that he claims to believe, and we already know RC Jr is of the same persuasion, so it's more than just possible that RC Sproul Jr will sue me.

I just hope that all those pro bono First Amendment attorneys will leap to my aid the way they have for Frank Vance.


At 10:06 PM, Blogger John Steinhausen said...

Jen Epstein has written some excellent articles about this Ligonier Ministries lawsuit. Now Jen has posted some Open Letters on her blog. Everyone who's concerned about the obvious shame and embarrassment that this Ligonier Ministries lawsuit will bring upon the Christian community should copy and paste them and mail them to Ligonier.

Open Letter to Dr. Sproul,
Open Letter to Vesta Sproul and the Board of Directors
Open Letter to Tim Dick.
Contending With Ligonier Ministries.

At 2:58 PM, Anonymous Dropped by said...

FYI, on Vance's website a commenter calling himself "a better way" has linked to your website in this thread here.

The post and the comments that follow are all recommended reading.

At 11:55 AM, Anonymous Love said...

Sounds like a mess.

At 10:56 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I strongly disagree with your view of R.C. Sproul Sr. I will grant that his son seems to be in sin, but IN NO WAY do I grant all of these slanderous accusations against a man of Sproul Sr's character. You are contradicting Mr. Vance (whom I have nothing against, by the way) by saying these things. Your statements read word for word as follows:"Being the great Bible expositor that RC Sproul is I'd always assumed that he'd exposited the Word to his own children and been a good example to them. Now with Sproul's Ligonier Ministries Lawsuit against Christian Blogger Frank Vance I'm more than just having second thoughts, I'm convinced that RC Jr. must have been the product of a bad upbringing." Sorry to blow the whole thing sky high in your face but Frank Vance THE MAN WHO IS BEING SUED, HIMSELF, said this: "The dispute ISN'T with RC Sproul, it's with Tim Dick. I'd agree that RC is ultimately responsible since he appointed Dick as President/CEO/CFO. The problem is that since RC's stroke (Which was rather serious as I understand it) RC doesn't have much to do with Ligonier anymore. His wife Vesta, as any good protective wife would probably do, insulates her husband from the stresses of the office, and as a Ligonier Director she's got the authority to do it. That may be best for Sproul's physical health(stress needs to be avoided by stroke victims to prevent recurrences), but everyone will have to draw their own conclusions about whether or not RC's lack of oversight of Ligonier has been good for Ligonier. I don't know one way or the other but it's not at all unlikely that RC knows nothing about this lawsuit. Lawsuits are stressful, even for the plaintiff (expecially with all the publicity they're now getting from it), and they'd probably want to insulate him as much as possible from all that stress. The problem is that RC's health also becomes the perfect excuse to justify keeping him in the dark...When Ligonier was under Dr. Sproul's oversight it was a shining testimony for Christ and Reformed theology. Ever since Sproul turned over the reins to Tim Dick, a man who from all accounts doesn't even have any serious commitment to ar credible knowledge of Reformed theology, that Ligonier testimony has only dimmed. Dr. Sproul is no Spring Chicken. What will Ligonier's testimony look like when Dr. Sproul departs the scene entirely? If Tim Dick is still at the helm it won't be pretty."
And "Far from having a vendetta to destroy Ligonier, my motivation is to save it and see it not just return to what iw was prior to the Tim Dick era, but to become even more of a shining testimony of the grace of Christ Jesus to the world."
I will let the statements speak for themselves considering their source.
It seems to me that if you are going to be consistent with yourself you had better withdraw your statements which are contradictory to Mr. Vance the man you seem to be atteempting to defend.
All of this inflammatory rot such as "Obviously RC Sproul isn't at all interested in obeying the Bible that he claims to believe..." is just so much hooey! In a way I'm glad you are talking like that, though. Because talk like that is only going to turn people off to these asinine views. Do you believe the Bible when it says to "...reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching." (2 Tim. 4:2)? The dissertation above seems anything but that to me.

At 2:40 PM, Blogger Jason said...

Whatever mess RC Sproul Jr is in, I really like Sr. and respect him greatly. Also I believe it does not take away from the fact that prohibitionism is wrong, regardless if the messenger don't follow the biblical teaching of moderationism.

At 1:13 PM, Blogger Richard said...


This says it all!

At 9:52 PM, Blogger scifosso said...

I have listened carefully to R.C. Sr. for a year, and a scholastic he is, but he is most definately manipulative when he gets to 'sensitive' areas of his misinterpretation of scripture. He will suddenly start giggling, then pile on a dozen different '25 cent words' to obfuscate his indefensible positions. You need a college degree just to understand that his vocabulary is manipulative and Sr. knows that.
He simply is not a sophisticated, confident man. He is limited, and doesn't hold a candle to the likes of Scottish minister Aleister Begg. Now, the fruit doesn't fall far from the tree, and probably his son is the result of such falseness...causing Junior to be such a lost individual.

At 11:54 AM, Blogger Jason said...

Just finished R.C. Sproul's WHAT IS REFORMED THEOLOGY. Great book and great teacher. Yes, their is some '25 cent words in this book even though it is explaining the basics.

At 9:18 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

All I can see, listening to R.C. Sproul, I know he is a man of God. Sometimes children just go astray, far from God, even when they come from the best of homes. But I believe he is back in line now. They have both been through a lot in their lives, and God has blessed them. I have listened and learned a lot of bible truth s from the ministry of R.C. Sproul, and I can say, "May God continue to bless his ministry" We all goof up with our children and make tragic mistakes, but life teaches a lot. We all learn in the school of hard knocks. May God continue to be merciful to us all, and treat us gently. I claim the promises of God, one promise especially, that He will save our children.
Thank you.


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