Sunday, April 09, 2006

CREC RC Sproul Jr. Cover-Up Committee

Doug Wilson's RC Sproul Jr coverup committeePatrick Poole of Existential Space has been writing articles for Michael Metzler's Poohs Think. Between the two of them they've been doing a valiant work of exposing the Mendacious Mullah of Moscow, as well as the ongoing R.C. Sproul Jr scandal. Both Sproul and Wilson are magnets for scandal and both of them have well-earned the exposure they're now getting.

Doug Wilson has been publicly covering for his pal R.C. Sproul Jr for almost three months, particularly in his "A Justice Primer" series, signaling his intentions to exonerate and reordain the Saint Peter Four.

And now to Patrick:

Just got some word from the St. Peter Triangle about the ongoing Confederation of Reformed Cults (CREC) "not judicial in nature" Official RC Sproul Jr. Cover-up Committee that I thought I should share with the visitors to the Wood:

1) It seems that the "not judicial in nature" CREC Committee has repeatedly visited the area, yet not seen fit to speak with ANY of Sproul’s victims or accusers (though they have expressed their willingness to speak to the committee), thus confirming that any vindication or "Clearing of R.C. Sproul Jr’s Name" (thanks to Shaun Nolan) due to come forth from the CREC Cover-Up Committee is a farce.

2) The committee is being headed by none other than Dennis Tuuri, who a few years ago had his own ecclesiastical dirty laundry cleaned and bleached by the CREC. Tuuri was recommended for this job by none other than the Great Leader himself. It’s good to see that the CREC has enlisted one of their most experienced scandal-ridden personnel to help Sproul navigate the cover-up process and that the Great Leader has such unshakable faith in Turri to completely cover-up the matter. Had Shade been available, Sproul could have gone to trial and THEN ignored their judgment, instead of bailing half-way through the process.

3) The St. Peter Steering Committee that asked for the CREC’s "pastoral" assistance in forming the Cover-Up Committee has gotten noticeably larger; it has expanded from the two original members to now include RC Jr. and the other men defrocked by the RPCGA. While the four new members appointed themselves to the committee without any authorization from the congregation, no one should think for a moment that there is any tyrannical abuses going on in St. Peter, let alone post anything on the Internet about it (at least according to Randy Booth).

4) The Cover-Up Committee’s and St. Peter Four’s ham-handedness has not been received well by some of the members of St. Peter. At least one parish is considering not calling their provisional elder looking to be exonerated by the CREC Cover-Up Committee. Who even mentioned "vote of no confidence"? Not me.

5) One item that has not endeared the St. Peter Four to their congregation is the steadfast refusal by the defrocked session to turn over financial information to members that have requested it. Could this be related at all to the extensive charges of gross financial fraud that were looming over the St. Peter Four if they had continued in the RPCGA and taken the disputed matters to trial? No one knows for sure, but RC Sproul Sr. told Shaun Nolan that it was all OK because Sprout has hired an accountant and tax attorney. Glad to see that he has so much confidence in his son (who was fired from Ligonier’s Table Talk not long ago). Maybe Sprout needs a criminal attorney?

6) Not everyone connected with the CREC Cover-Up Committee has nothing but warm fuzzies for Sprout and his henchmen. I’m told that at least one CREC official has expressed concern about some resistance from two of the St. Peter Four. My source would not identify who the two were, but did say that it wasn’t Jay Barfield or Wayne Hayes, leaving Sprout and Laurence Windham. Speculation abounds about who the other two might be.


Yes, it seems that Sproul is making himself right at home in the CREC. Thankfully, the tireless work of the Cover-Up Committee and its experienced personnel are close to exonerating him. Then he and the Great Leader can swap spit (from the booze bottles, silly) without having to worry about all those Internet intoleristas. All then will be well and right in WilsonWorld. I’ll post more as things develop.

Viva la Revolution!

Patrick

9 Comments:

At 3:38 PM, Anonymous Makena said...

I have no idea who you are, but I've really enjoyed reading your take on all of this.

 
At 8:27 PM, Anonymous Paul said...

2) "The committee is being headed by none other than Dennis Tuuri,"

Not true - the head of the committee is not Tuuri. Not sure how you get your false info.

"who a few years ago had his own ecclesiastical dirty laundry cleaned and bleached by the CREC."

Whatever that means???

"Tuuri was recommended for this job by none other than the Great Leader himself."

Where do you get this info that Tuuri was recommended by Wilson??

"It’s good to see that the CREC has enlisted one of their most experienced scandal-ridden personnel to help Sproul navigate the cover-up process and that the Great Leader has such unshakable faith in Turri to completely cover-up the matter."

What are you smoking? Have you ever even talked to Tuuri or Wilson?

"Had Shade been available, Sproul could have gone to trial and THEN ignored their judgment, instead of bailing half-way through the process."

Take another hit dude lest you come back into the real world. Have you talked with Shade?

Sorry, this is just plain wacko, untrue, bizzare, and weird. I guess it it pretty easy to spin tales when one is not concerned about truth. With facts and rhetoric like this, one wonders if Alice in Wonderland is, well, nevermind...

And I am not even a fan of RCjr

 
At 10:36 PM, Blogger Patrick Poole said...

It's good to see from "paul"'s post that the CRE Orwell Brigades are trolling the Internet once again. But I do question the propriety of RC 2.0 allowing cowards like "paul" to post his calumny here anonymously. I guess it goes to show the level of moral courage amongst the Doug Wilson/Sprout/CRE crowd. What heroes!

For the record, Dennis Tuuri joined the CRE to avoid prosecution in the PCA, charged with "abuse of the flock". In fact, CRE records show (Nov. 1998) that the CRE was asked not to admit Dennis Tuuri so that he could be tried. Doug Wilson led the charge to admit Tuuri to the CRE despite over the protests of Tuuri's former congregation.

As for Burke Shade, the very public interaction I had with him regarding his ungodly flight from the PCA during and after his conviction by Illiana Presbytery is available for anyone to read at Pooh's Think. Shade and I have discussed the matter privately.

"paul"'s post raises some very troubling questions about his ability at truth-telling. If this is what the CRE is about, good riddance to the lot of them. May God send more and all of our denominational driftwood and wormwood to the CRE!

 
At 11:02 PM, Blogger RC 2.0 said...

"Not true - the head of the committee is not Tuuri. Not sure how you get your false info."

So Paul, if Patrick's information is false, why don't you set the record straight rather than resorting to evasion with ad hominem? With that storehouse of knowledge and your quick wit you must obviously be some kind of an important insider. So go right ahead, enlighten us with all that vast information of yours.

If Dennis Tuuri isn't heading up the CREC Name-Clearing Committee, who is? Greg Strawbridge? And are you denying that Dennis Tuuri is one of the Doug Wilson hand-picked five serving on the CREC Name-Clearing Committee?

 
At 6:34 PM, Anonymous Paul said...

No evasion RC 2.0, simply countering what I see as a false claim: that Tuuri is the head of the committee. Simple point, you should be able to verify one way or another, chances are my word would not be sufficient anyway to set your record straight.

I see today you have moderated your original stance from stating it as fact to stating it as "entirely possible":

“One of the most laughable aspects of how the RC Sproul Jr Name-Clearing Commission is operating is the fact that Dennis Tuuri is one of the Commission's five members, and it's entirely possible that Tuuri is even heading up the Commission.”

But it just sounds like you are guessing. Not much credibility here bro.

And there is no storehouse of knowledge with me, just looking for honest reporting. Did not find it here. But it continues...

Patrick states,
1) “Dennis Tuuri joined the CRE to avoid prosecution in the PCA,”
2) ”CRE records show (Nov. 1998) that the CRE was asked not to admit Dennis Tuuri so that he could be tried.”

I completely read through the CRE records (Nov.1998) that Patrick points us to it does not say what he claims. It looks more like a case of filtering through am embittered paradigm. Maybe Patrick knows more here, but the CRE records he points to do not say what he says they say.

And I much enjoyed the exchange between Shade and Poole on the pooh site – thanks for the tip.

Again, no axe to grind, just looking for honest reporting and not finding it on this spin site.

-me

 
At 8:25 PM, Anonymous Elijah said...

Patrick says

"For the record, Dennis Tuuri joined the CRE to avoid prosecution in the PCA, charged with "abuse of the flock". In fact, CRE records show (Nov. 1998) that the CRE was asked not to admit Dennis Tuuri so that he could be tried. Doug Wilson led the charge to admit Tuuri to the CRE despite over the protests of Tuuri’s former congregation."

I find it interesting to hear you say for the record, when it looks like you know next to nothing about this situation except for what is on the CREC website, no where on the transcript from the presbytery meeting where you apparently received your information does it say anything about Tuuri being in the PCA before joining the CREC or at any time. Also nowhere does it say the reason for certain individuals wanting Tuuri not to join the CREC are so that he could be tried. Also you state that it was his former congregation that brought these charges, from what I can tell this is not a true statement either. From what I have read so far Tuuri has no dirty laundry, have you contacted WPC to see what the situation was or is? Have you contacted Tuuri to see what this little snafu was about? If you answer no to these questions as I expect you to, you are nothing more than a slanderer. I hope that you have checked out these charges you whip around so flippantly. If you have not done a thorough examination of this matter as outlined above then you should send a note of apology and forgiveness to Tuuri and all who you have told these falsehoods to. For it looks to these eyes that you have smeared the name of a very well respected Minister of the lord Jesus Christ.

 
At 11:27 AM, Blogger RC 2.0 said...

Elijah and Paul,

No need for redundancy here. See my comments at "Where's That RC Sproul Jr Name-Clearing Report

Patrick will respond if he sees the need. However, speaking for myself I just don't see your point. If you think there's some substance to your concerns you haven't made it at all apparent. All that's apparent is that you're attempting to make an issue out of a non-issue.

True to the Wilsonian modus operandi, you raise a straw man (in this case Dennis Tuuri) who isn't even the substance of the story, and demand that we dispatch your straw man. Quite frankly I don't find the bait you offer nearly enticing enough, certainly not enough to go chasing down a rabbit trail.

However, we have taken note of your obvious personal interest (and a very strong interest, at that) in Dennis Tuuri, and that you quite obviously have some personal relationship with the man. I'm sure he appreciates your defending his honor. It's a shame you can't do any better than this.

Paul, since you've denied that Dennis Tuuri is heading the RC Sproul Jr Name-Clearing Committee, we're still waiting on you to name the head of the Committee. Clearly you're concerned about setting the record straight, so go right ahead. Patrick Poole named Tuuri, and he claims to have credible sources. You say it's not Tuuri, but you evade saying who is, while engaging in ad hominem attacks. But whether you set the record straight or continue serving as a Wilson-shill, Tuuri is an insignificant player in this story. Don't count on us to continue expending resources on non-issues. You now have one of two options:

1. Set the record straight by naming the head of the CREC "not judicial in nature" Commission and state unequivocally that Dennis Tuuri does not serve in any role or capacity on said Committee.
2. Go post obsequious fan-mail at DougCult.com

 
At 1:58 PM, Anonymous DH said...

I hope no one takes you seriously, because you are just trying to stir up trouble. Almost all of your info is NOT accurate.

A substanstial portion RC Jr. problems were over paedocommunion and RC and his elders wanted to leave the RPCGA (anti-paedo) and now they want to join the CREC (pro-paedo). Why would that be a problem?

DH

 
At 11:20 AM, Blogger RC 2.0 said...

DH, in spite of your hopes and wishes a lot of people are taking this all very seriously. Doug Wilson and RC Sproul Jr are certainly taking it seriously. That's because it's a serious matter.

You wouldn't be the first DH to allege "Almost all of your info is NOT accurate." But if you actually respond and provide specifics of what's not accurate that would be a first. You're also not the first to play the paedocommunion card, but anyone who's actually examined the evidence knows that the RC Sproul Jr "paedocommunion controversy" is a "controversy" of RC Jr's own fabrication. It's tragic to know DH that there are gullible folks out there like you who can be so easily led around by the nose to believe such spin.

 

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